Olympic Hockey, Canada and PK SUBBAN: a Facebook thread from another facebook thread

Inspired by a Kenny Thread about Racism and PK
“Here is what I told the Chinese Corner store owner just a minute ago…He said “good Hockey game?” I said “no not really”…”Yes we won the gold but we …killed the spirit of the game…it was sterile” , clinical, and for me not as good as the women’s final…by a long shot. Winning has been so important. Unpredictability and hunches are ignored in favour of certainty. Goals have become so important (in the NHL) That they have taken out the Red line, moved the blue lines, created the Fucking Trapezoid, and got rid of battles in front of the net. It has become about math instead of Sport. I know this thread is about racism. But to me it is one and the same thing. PK Subban is uncertain and random and chaotic and expresses himself with joy…even receiving the medal he was more appreciative than everyone else. How is the reigning Norris trophy winner sitting in the stands as a cheerleader? yet he accepts that role with class and aplomb. Yes Canada won and I won’t rain on that but where is the Joie de vivre and the esprit de corp? I have waited to say this because if they lost it would have been sour grapes. I wanted people to know that what I am saying is about a decision that might have broken a man’s heart in favour of a victory. I don’t blame Canada and Babcock for wanting to win but as my Mum said to me when i won a Tennis tournament when i was 16 “why did you win Like That?” There is this overcoached thing going on in sports where people play a system…I have yet to see that on the frozen ponds. And PK Subban, from the bottom of his heart, knows that.”
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    Bub Logan Out of curiosity, why point out the ethnicity of the store owner?
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    Rob Trick It was part of that thread. But my point about that is that rather than talking about being or not being a racist I actually engage people of all sorts…different incomes or educational standards, nationalities, or size. Big, Little, loud or quiet they are my friends, lovers, confidantes for the time I talk to them and then I waste time with more people that i meet as I am walking down the street, The people that I meet each day. I am really tired of the protection of people by others, when in fact, they don’t want to be protected in that way. Nor need the protection. They have more advanced behaviours, are smarter than most of us who, seemingly, are protecting these people with their Ipods planted firmly in their faces as they ignore the cornucopia of scents and smiles that are offered to me as I walk down or ride through this city. The rules of Political correctness are not really about political correct thoughts but rather about not offending the so called protectors from feelings of guilt. I LOVE EVERYBODY…You can ask my wife who Hates that I talk to everybody and love where they are from and how they talk and their words and their FOOD. I have even Talked to PK SUBBAN.
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    Pia Dewdney Being a 47 year old of mixed heritage – mother from Finland and father from Jamaica. Nothing boils my blood like racism. I’m not going to try educate the ignorant as they will stay where they are as they choose not to challenge the status quo. It’s sad that some can judge sporting ability by colour! I thought that we were beyond that. My face is on my palm. 
    Also note … That my father was a professional athlete for the West Indies cricket team when they were in there glory. This was over 50 years ago… Why are the racial challenges in professional sports still here!!
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    Rob Trick The other reason I mentioned that the store owner was Chinese was a reflection of the fact that I couldn’t properly articulate the ideas to him that I was trying to get across. NOT because he couldn’t speak English but because i am inept at Chinese. It is he, that is superior to me, in the Language department. He speaks the better part of two languages and I speak nearly one. I might be better than him in Mime but he is keeping his cards close to his vest on that one.
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    Kimberley Hunt Pk is a bit of a loose canon ,draws a lot of penalties,plus the other D were preforming better than him of late. He wasn’t the only one that sat.
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    Kenny Robinson Norris winner..but I guess that counts for nothing
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    Matthew Collison “Even receiving the medal he was more APPRECIATIVE than everyone else.” I would love to know how you know that. 
    “Broken a man’s heart in favour of victory.” Laying it on a little thick there aren’t ya. 
    Most eye roll inducing post yet, keep up the good work.
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    Josh LaBell Rob O totally agree about the WAY of winning that is currently in vogue. I see it in rugby too. Back in the day we would never have kicked for points if we were close to the goal or worse yet kicked the ball into touch just so we could get a line out instead of running a play. The cult of winning trumps all.
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    Bill Batten Norris winner means the same as the Art Ross, as St. Louis wasn’t picked for the team until Stamkos couldn’t go. PK sat because his style of play leaves a lot to desire in the defensive zone. He’s not he best defenceman in the league, but he was the highest scoring defenceman so he won the Norris. Brent Seabrook wasn’t picked even with the best +/- of any Canadian in the NHL, and that decision was probably made because not picking Subban would have raised an outcry. This team was all about defeinsive responsibility, and PK’s game isn’t.
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    Ruth Kapelus I love PK and his style of play, but even I can admit he often draws stupid penalties, and somebody had to sit. This was a team stacked with award-winning all-stars. I think you’re reaching a bit here Rob…
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    Bob Hillhouse In playing hockey for your nation, you see the Norse teams very homogenous. 
    Canada has the benefit of players from a variety of nations. 
    My men’s teams and my sons teams are much more diverse than when I was kid. 
    That being said, the cost of hockey is obscene. GTHL is moving up the gate fees again. $500.00 Government tax break where it could easily be 5,000.00 to 10,000 for AAA. 
    I see a growth of hockey fans while the players drop off.
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    Paul McKinnon 1. If Subban had played than another defense man’s heart would have been broken.
    2. Canadians had no problem with Grant Fuhr and Jarome Iginla, in fact they loved them, it is not a race thing. Subban’s own teammate Hal Gill called him an A-hole, and not because of race.
    3. I was impressed by how gracious Subban was, maybe he is finally maturing.
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    Paul McKinnon And let me get this straight, because Canada dominated so much and went after the other teams so they could barely touch the puck, the corner store guy calls it sterile and clinical? To me that was the most impressive game style ever played. Sure we didn’t score a lot, but I think that is only because hockey is a game of inches, and we just missed goals by an inch or so a few times.

    Sure the game would have been more exciting if we came back and won in OT, but Team Canada had done that enough in the past, (too much for my poor nerves) it is nice to go through a tourney and never have lost the lead.

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    Tom Melissis Ok 1) PK “draws” penalties? Ok…….I question your hockey knowledge. Or I diplomatically suggest you made the wrong choice of words because “drawing” penalties is a good thing. It means you caused the OTHER team to get a penalty. 2) PK is a “defensive liability” BULL SHIT. Although he makes mistakes (by taking risks) he has strong speed to make up for “most” of them. Webber and Doughty cough up pucks and make turn overs and even during these Olympic games. PK is used and is more often than not is successful at shutting down the opposing teams big lines Ovechkin, Crosby, etc) 3) “he is a loose cannon” ? So was Thoren Fleury. A Great player. 4) I agree “perhaps” he isn’t as mature and poised as Doughty/Webber, BUT he can do what they do on PP: his shot is as hard and accurate. He is a stronger skater than both and is more creative with the puck. 5) Hal Gill called him an A-Hole…? Sure his cockiness rubs some people the wrong way – BUT Gil played with him a few years ago – he has matured and is maturing still. Based on all of the above…PK BY FAR SHOULD HAVE BEEN the 4,5,or 6th D-Man.
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    Frank McAnulty @Paul I think Rob called it “Sterile and clinical”…?
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    Paul McKinnon Ah yes I see that now Frank 
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    Rob Trick OK let me cut to the chase. I WANTED to see Subban go around people like they were standing still. Not because he was black but because I wanted to see the Norris trophy winner go around people like they were standing still. I LOVE his emotion and although there is a code in hockey, it is antiquated and it needs a revision. Emotion and passion sells and right now with that dour celebration and the back to work on charters attitude the Canadian Team lost on the opportunity to be part of the closing ceremony and the real Olympic experience
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    Rob Trick I did. They were like the Massad into Entebbe, a strategic strike and then off, no smiling.
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    Frank McAnulty man I was commenting on how happy they looked, maybe I had my TV on different settings, and they sounded quite happy when they were being interviewed maybe my sound setting were off… and many of the competitors leave before the closing ceremonies. Not because they look at the Olympics as a lesser event but maybe because they want to get back home and have two days to adjust to the time zone back here and the last third of the season for a job that they get paid a lot of money for. I think it was a well played, well coached, well played disciplined hockey team! If that’s clinical… I hope the leafs play that way.
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    Rob Trick If winning the Norris trophy is not enough in a season where he had to hold out to get the Money that he is worth…playing less games, fighting Scoring, to get the money that he deserves because he was being run down by the team, the media, and now by extension Hockey Canada. He is being treated differently and that should be explained. But Man am I proud of his behaviour and class.He is a role model for all young people and even me.
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    Tom Melissis RIGHT ON ROB!!! Every time they showed Yzerman and Ken Holland up there in their corporate box ….looking so ’emotionless” and “glum” I thought they were KGB agents. We use to make fun of the Russians for being this way. But because it was the calculating brain trust of Hockey Canada the media is more accepting of this ….
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    Rob Trick OK FRANK LISTEN HERE. You and I both know after a 22 hour flight…you need to have your bag taken from you and be whisked off to a rink, play two hours of 3v3 , then make a pitstop at a bar for a few cold ones before falling to sleep for 4 hours before you hear you roommate snoring and can’t get back to sleep. (Hong Kong 2006)
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    Ruth Kapelus A lot of the players were at the Closing Ceremonies, as was Babcock.
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    Rob Trick I really should watch that
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    Frank McAnulty No Tom even the media commented on how stern they look maybe that is just them. You ever have somebody come up to you while you concentrating and ask you if your okay and you were but you just didn’t look that way? Could you imagine if they celebrated like most of us did when a goal was scored and end up losing the game… I think the comments would be “the arrogant hockey brain trust” “Canada’s management team take it for granted” They are aware the camera is on them and they know what would be said about them if there was a collapse.
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    Tom Melissis Frank….getting the victory is important….but sometimes it is how you do it. Example: go ahead and name the top scoring line and 2 d-men for the Cup winning New Jersey Devils…now go ahead and do the same for the top line for the Cup winning Oilers, Islanders and Habs…. I thought so. And regarding your Leafs…remember, how just recently at an pre game ceremony along side Lanny & Darryl….they brought out Tiger Williams? I think, as Rob’s point, that a little “flash & style” is good for the game ESPECALLY if you can back it up with talent: PK has both. Also Frank…they were looking stern when a goal was scored!!! Come on…if it was the Russians we would say how robotic they are.
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    Rob Trick Therein lies the point, why does it matter if we lose? Where are the moments of Gilbert Perrault skating down the ice against The CCCP in 1972. I hate what is being lost in these wins…
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    Rob Trick We had to watch Ron Ellis up and down the wing in 1972 every second shift…every second shift
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    Rob Trick Panache
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    Rob Trick why do the french always have a word for it…beciause they live it
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    Tom Melissis Its why I never played for any of Frank’s teams – even after he drafted me. 
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    Frank McAnulty @Tom. PK is a very talented hockey player and very exciting to watch. are you going to tell me that the “smooth” sailing he has had with his time with the Canadians doesn’t affect some of what people think of him. I think the main reason he didn’t get to play was a little to do with that right hand left hand bullshit (at a Pro level?) but mostly his maturity level that has been his knock for awhile now.
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    Ruth Kapelus Rob, forgive me, but I highly doubt you would be magnanimous in defeat, had Team Canada lost with ‘style and panache’. Why criticize a team that worked hard to earn a victory and gold medal?
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    Tom Melissis I agree Frank…that is his only set back….however in the past year and a half …he has grown tremendously. AND if that was their issue for not playing him WHY INVITE HIM!!! Why have him around if he is a “distraction”…? Or “A-hole” as Hal Gil allegedly said about him?
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    Rob Trick I played with a guy on the Ghetto Blasters who could score or rush every second shift. Andy Quan who knows that I hated playing with him because he was young and fit and i had to stay at centre watching him and covering for him…but I loved watching him. i am not stupid enough to admit I was better or deserved more ice time. We just shouldn’t have been on the same shift
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    Bob Hillhouse Babcock was at the closing ceremonies behaving like a drunk teenager with his moms visa. Playing with his hat, and taking selfies with the kids. 
    Team Canada was professional in a good way. Suits to the game, all egos checked at the door and full commitment to excellence. 
    My favorite moment was watching Teemu doing his off ice warmup. His face showed a focus and purpose that would not be denied.
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    Rob Trick Ruth, I would never attack the players. I am attacking management and the coaching….maybe not even babcock or Yzerman. I might really be aimimng at the culture that won’t allow us to lose. Losing is important. The americans may have lost but their style of play won over a lot of fans. The game between the Russians and might just been the Gold Medal game and unfortunately neither team was rewarded. The point in general here is that a tournament like this is not flexible enough to deal with the fact that teams have to play in their “Divisions” and I don’t know what the odds are but it means that most Hockey regions usually walk away with some affirmation. By Having Two teams like Sweden and Finland play the semis and Canada USA you get a great pair of games. If you have Canada Play Sweden in the Semis and USA FInland , not so much, So they have regional finals and the finals…BETTER FOR TV ratings!! Everything has to be done for getting rid of “Trap” like hockey. End to end Hockey will give you a heart attack but it is the best to watch
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    Rob Trick Bob I, too, loved Teemu, He was showing how to be an athlete…professional or not
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    Dave North “We were going to win a gold medal, but then we decided to watch a guy skate with the puck instead, because that’s fun.” Come on.
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    Frank McAnulty @Tom because he is that good he should be on – but can you imagine when we are winning a game by one goal and PK decides he want to go end to end but loses the puck and game gets tied…what would people say then He is probably 2 or 3 in depth on that team but I’m quite sure he is no where near that in discipline? And you can’t argue the out come of quite possibly the best defensive team in modern hockey competion?
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    Rob Trick @Dave as a gigolo, you know it is not really about the end it is about the voyage
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    Ruth Kapelus Rob, my understanding is that the divisions were set up by world rankings. I’m sorry, but I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. Every team had the opportunity to lose, each game they played. Canada didn’t. That’s a good thing. I swear, only in Canada would we find something to complain about when we win.
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    Dave North lol Yes, and I also know about wandering and being offensive-minded.
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    Dave North And happy late birthday!
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    Rob Trick I am not complaing about winning, I am complaing about not allowing us to lose
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    Rob Trick The world rankings are also a conundrum…
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    Bob Hillhouse With penalty shots becoming so important, what would happen if all penalties were penalty shots. Especially in minor hockey, instead of kids missing their ice time because of a teammate.
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    Rob Trick I love that…but I have a story that will make you laugh and everyone else scream at me
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    Rob Trick Bob I also think we need to return the bluelines to their homes
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    Rob Trick and put back the redlines
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    Bob Hillhouse Bring back the rover and Peter Puck.
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    Rob Trick The Ottawa Silver Seven
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    Bob Hillhouse No goalie masks.
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    Rob Trick “Olde Tyme Hockey” with “Olde Tyme Lemonade”
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    Rob Trick Ok here is that story: I once played in a tournament that had the penalty shot solution. I got into it with some guy on the EEls or Iguanas or something so I go to the box…serve the penalty. come out and continue with him…go to the box serve…get out, get back into it. My Team forgot i was playing with them. The other funny part was that there was no division between the penalty box and our bench…so I would go into the penalty box then walk back to my bench. and sit with the guys. I don’t know how many Icings that cost them…for that, they were mad
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    Alan Park This thread is more entertaining than the gold game.
    All great points- Rob I think joie de vivre and esprit de corp are in Quebec.
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    Rob Trick in the Saguenay somewhere
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    Orin Isaacs I don’t know much about the politics of hockey. But PK is brilliant! He made sure he was right behind Sidney Crosby in the team photo!
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    Tom Melissis FYI: Mens Olympic Hockey as voted by the IIHF – Best Defenceman – Eric Karlsson of Sweden. Best Forward – Phil Kessel of U.S.A. Best Goalie – Cary Price of the Montreal Canadiens.  And the Media voted Teemu Selanne MVP.
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    Junior Williams Ok. U know I had 2 get in on this one!!! I’m born American and raised Canadian. I’m 49 so I got here in the mid 70’s from NYC and picked up my 1st hockey stick. A lot of us that were good and played in small towns in Ontario got called nigger by a few in the stands and had 2 put up with stuff a white player never has 2. This wasn’t because he was black but rather sub-cultural differences and understanding or rather relating 2 a different culture. I’m sorry but there is no way in HELL a person can win the Norris Trophy 4 best defensemen in the best hockey league on the planet and not make Canada’s top 6. If u want 2 talk about making mistakes. U guys are carrying on like not 1 mistake was made by a Canadian defensemen in 6 games! A mistake during the course of a game doesn’t always lead 2 a goal, or touchdown or a basket people. I saw Keith get burned on the outside plenty of times during the tournament. I saw Webber make some horrible passes. They had a stacked team that could cover because of who they had around them 4 support. There is no way in hell ur gonna convince me that if PK made a mistake it was most certainly gonna cost us a goal or a game or rather we couldn’t have covered the mistake. There is no such thing as perfection. Players make mistakes every game it just depends who is around u 2 cover. He’s not part of that Old-White-Canadian-Hockey culture of not celebrating. We Black people love 2 dance and celebrate. Now don’t get me wrong! There is a limit 2 it. It’s kind of like bad-acting, over the top behaviour when u start pretending ur golfing in the end zone etc…Why is it a sin 2 shuffle ur feet, shake ur head move ur ass??? When a white person acts cocky and self assuring they’re called confident strong men. When a black person acts cocky and self assuring they’re called….Not confident and strong men! Show-offs, abrasive, selfish etc…I’ve seen PK in public and the people luv him. The kids, teenagers, peeps in their 20’s in TO. I’ve also heard through degrees of separation that he is funny, endearing actually hilarious and caring. Don’t hate a man because he speaks his mind and doesn’t conform 2 the way u expect him 2 behave. Some may say my acting career has been the same way. A lot of people love me but I know there are a few who don’t like my assured behaviour and self confidence. Fuck them!! He should have been on the ice. Hamzuis??? Ru fucking kidding me? Vlasic??? Oh yeah Canada would have lost if PK was on the ice. If they considered him that much of a liability they shouldn’t have even selected him. Oh wait!! Didn’t our Juniors win their last gold medal with him being one of the stars??? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!!
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    Kenny Robinson GREAT INPUT JR. dID YOU LIVE IN WINNIPEG AROUND 75, 76? i REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT A BROTHER PLAYING WITH THE SAME NAME AS YOU…IF IT WAS, YOUR REP PROCEEDED YOU..
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    Junior Williams No. How ru Kenny?
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    Gerry Paul I agree he should have played, if not a regular shift , then situational, ie power play or penalty kill. Guy gets a medal for sitting in the stands. Wow!
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    Tom Melissis HERE! HERE! Junior Williams!!! I was biting my tongue because, I have already stated my case on my own status posts…(you have seen that) and was using only objective critical analysis of the play I saw during these Olympics on this thread. Subban could out skate, out shoot (he has a CANNON – ONE TIMER) ANY of the D-Man they chose and 3/4 of the forwards. And you are right, the talented team of forwards on Team Canada covered for each other (and the D) throughout…which only happens “sometimes” on Subban’s lesser talented Hab team. I suspect it IS a Black thing. Only non Blacks are allowed to talk smack and swagger….that is left for the NFL and NBA….where they – according to Don Cherry dress “disrespectfully” going to games. We could not have that during the Olympics AND especially NOT have him potentially be a Canadian hero  I grew up in the east side of T.O. playing hockey and I was called a “wop” and “greaser” because at that time nobody knew what a Macedonian was (but now thank you Ed Jovanoski & Steve Stamkos) so one could only imagine the shit my then defence partner. a Canadian of Jamaican descent Desmond endured through those years. I’d like to think it is getting better, but I don’t know…I’m not a Black hockey player here in Canada….that’s why I bit my tongue and glad you spoke up. 
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    Junior Williams It’s tough because if ur black and u speak ur mind I’m clumped into the same basket they’re clumping him into. Thank god they didn’t call u Greek!! Hahahaha…U know what I’m getting at..lol. I know u would really have been pissed then. Might try calling u tonight 4 a quick 5 min convo if ur not 2 busy. On my way 2 the gym now.
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    Rob Trick in your car…texting?
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    Junior Williams No walking!! lol
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    Rob Trick keep your head up JW
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    Junior Williams I’m not Lindros! Don’t worry bout dat!! Hahaha. How ru bro? Hope u and urs are well.
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    Paul McKinnon As for his bad attitude, it is not just the “showing off”. Do you not remember the incident in last year’s playoffs? He was hollering at Max Pacioretty from the bench for giving him a suicide pass while the game was still being played. Now of course he had a right to be pissed off but anybody knows you don’t holler at a teammate for making a mistake in front of everybody. Markov had to tell Subban to shut up. 
    I am not naïve to think that black players never encounter racism while playing hockey in Canada, but I feel the need to mention again that Iginla and Fuhr were loved by Canadians and nobody wanted to keep them off Team Canada. Iginla was on TV commercials all the time, do you think companies would hire him for commercials if Canadians didn’t like the idea of blacks star in hockey?
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    Josh LaBell I don’t know JW I really dislike all showboating no matter who does it. It’s probably the code that I grew up with at Northern but I have also had it on good authority that the mist intimidating thing about play against us. Is that when we scored, we didn’t show off, we hustled the ball back to the ref and moved on as if the score was still against us. When we won sure we celebrated but then we went and shook the other players had. When we were older we hosted the other team and made sure to buy the guy you had been bashing brains against that day and had a good laugh. I wish all sport was still like that because it teaches the values I want to see in the rest of society. Showboating does none of that.
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    Michael Scrivener there’s a lot to digest herein.

    let me start with this: i had forgotten subban was even on the team, since i never saw him on the ice. 

    and, he seemed pretty pleased after the game, and this is the first i’m hearing about the whole racist tweet-fest that went on. sad to hear if that was indeed the case, but, people are fucking morons most of the time. the digital world simply proves that over and over again.

    as for the style of play, i guess some folks just don’t like watching skilled players exhibit ridiculous skills, as that was some great free flowing hockey, there, i thought. they may not have filled the net like in the good old days of beating teams like latvia 18-0, but maybe that just means that teams like latvia are getting better.

    there were so many chances, and so many near misses…. and NO fights. in my mind, that makes for fantastic hockey. maybe we didn’t get the nail biting finish we had in 2010 or in the women’s final on thursday, but there was nothing wrong with the hockey on display if you ask me.

    all season long in the NHL we are treated to meaningless violence for the sake of selling a few tickets, and dumb down the game we love for all the wrong reasons and virtually strangle the beauty out of it, and are forced to endure the endless prattlings of don cherry — our iconic over the hill hockey sage. meh. he’s an idiot if you ask me, and should have been taken off the air ten years ago — about why fighting is so integral to the game and yet whenever a really important game is on the line in the NHL there isn’t even a whiff of the ice for the goon(s), because the coaches and the players are smart enough to realize that to win you need skill, not thuggery.

    i recall a game seven a couple of years ago between the bruins and some other team in the playoffs, and there was not one single penalty called in the whole game… because it was important enough to the players to win that game that they knew not to fuck around and cost their teammates the game with a stupid penalty.

    and, based on that one game alone, i know that the players can hold their tempers in check when need be, and that the game is every bit as good without the extra curricular shit as it is with it. even better… if you ask me.

    if people really want to see fighting go watch the UFC and MMA, or whatever they call it now. and leave the hockey to the skilled players people actually come to see.

    end of rant.

    oh, and by the way, that game 7 i mentioned was easily among the best NHL games i had seen in years. fantastic end to end play, just balls out. if only they had the energy to play with that much fire every night. the fucking season is too long, really, to let these guys play at their maximum potential. too much physical attrition over that long a haul.

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    Rob Trick I am not talking about fighting, I am talking about not playing one of the most skilled players ever
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    Kenny Robinson ROB ROB ROB…GET IT THRU YOUR FUCKIN HEAD…PK WOULD HAVE BEEN A GIANT RISK…MAKING THOSE RINK LENGTH DASHES….LIKE THAT BOBBY ORR GUY…..
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    Michael Scrivener i know, rob. mine evolved into that. shit happens. 

    and, whatever babcock’s and the braintrust’s reasons, i’m sure they thought it through. and they did what they felt would achieve that… and, voila. gold medal. i’m happier about that decision than i am about marc crawford sending ray borque out to take a sudden death shootout shot when wayne gretzky was available on the bench. sitting right there. that was in ’98 in nagano.

    so, we live and learn. 

    what i found more unsettling was don cherry rambling on about how canada is known for hockey and only hockey around the world. (actually we’re known for rob ford around the world now, thank you very much, don) i wonder what all the athletes in the other sports who did so well felt about such incredible simplicity of thought? 

    did the guy not just spend two fucking weeks in sochi, surrounded by the best of the best of the world’s athletes from all types of sports? and that is the understanding he comes away with?

    sure, folks know us for hockey, but they know us for other stuff, too. like maple syrup. and killer weed.

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    Rob Trick We are Winter
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    Rob Trick i forgive you Scrivener
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    Michael Scrivener thanks, man. that rant of don’s was on sporstnet today at around 5:45ish pm.
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    Josh LaBell Oh GREAT now ROBINSON IS YELLING!….this is a great thread Rob!
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    Kenny Robinson GREAT BOOK…WHY BLACK MEN YELL….ONCE A DRUNK OFF DUTY COP SAW MY BOOK AT THE BAR AND ALMOST CHOKED ON HIS RYE AND GINGER
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    Josh LaBell Oh great and now he’s plugging his work …freakin’ performers. But seriously Kenny the internet makes it so much harder to read tone.
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    Kenny Robinson i didn’t write the book…he whispered..
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    Josh LaBell yeah I know I goggled it you bastard …he laughed.
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    Rob Trick WTF has happened to the integrity of this thread…I blame you JOSH
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    Bob Hillhouse Whenever my father or myself or my children played against Northern, we were always in awe of the Northern code. No showboating and always the zenith of sportsmanship.
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    Rob Trick Sarcasm?
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    Josh LaBell we should all have this conversation in a room with beer.
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    Bob Hillhouse You might say that, I couldn’t possibly.
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    Rob Trick Listen, we were your dealers Bobby which paid for our Football equipment
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    Bob Hillhouse Just say maybe kids.
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    Mark Simmons You’re right Rob…it’s not a game anymore, it’s a system that takes away from creativity on the ice. I love hockey, but you see these 13 year old kids playing hockey with such pressure now a days and gone is the fun!
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    Michael Scrivener that is the real crime. the over-coaching and squeezing out of the game of the pure joy of pond hockey. the kids need to learn the game and the fundamentals ON THEIR OWN, the old fashioned, fun way. let the kids have fun before you put them all on a schedule of games and practices when they are 9 years old that rivals those of any NHL team through the year. ask my nephew about that. or his parents! aye yai yai!
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    Sheilagh McGurk Gouthro · Friends with Jim Brophy

    Sorry but i think hockey should be played like the olympics show your talent not your fighting skills
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